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ALERT: Anti-Israel Protest in Silicon Valley

Posted by Oyster on January 4, 2009

A group of so-called “progressive” activists called the Raging Grannies are organizing an Anti-Israel protest for tomorrow, January 4th, 2009, from noon till 1:30 PM at the corner of Winchester Blvd. & Stevens Creek Blvd. in Silicon Valley right next to Santana Row and Valley Fair Mall. I have word that some members of the Jewish community are coordinating a counter-rally presence at the same intersection:

It’s time to stand for Israel….. I’m asking you to join me to counter protest tomorrow at the opposite corner from the Pro Pal rally. We need PEACEFUL people who have flags and signs or just the courage to stand  up for Israel. Our goal is to stay on the sidewalk and obey the laws in our counter protest. Note: from prior experience, the other side is very loud and vulgar, if you’re not sure you can be a “light unto the nations” please plan to join the formal rally at the Levy Campus in a few days..

Call or email me if you can attend or have flags or signs to loan us.

Email me at oyster<at>oy-bay.org, and I’ll relay your messages to the counter-rally organizer.

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27 Responses to “ALERT: Anti-Israel Protest in Silicon Valley”

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  2. Helen said

    Death toll: 500 Palestinians 5 Israelis. How can you live with yourself supporting the war?

  3. Oyster said

    Helen, how do you live with yourself being an Antisemite?

  4. June said

    Oyster,

    The Raging Grannies ARE progressive (I am not a Granny, but have spent enough time with them to know that they are wonderful advocates of social justice.) Most members of the peace movement oppose oppression and violence in ALL forms. They condemn the actions of Hamas in the same way as they condemn the actions of the IDF. The problem is that the IDF is currently engaging in unprecedented war crimes, using a strategy that will ultimately fail to resolve this conflict. The last few weeks have damaged Israel’s reputation in the eyes of the international community and with every day that passes we wonder why the Israeli voices for peace are not being heard. I know they are there; I wish we would listen.

    Those of us who love Israel know that Israel is better than this; why choose collective punishment and disproportionate use of force when there is an opportunity to lead both communities towards peace? Why use extreme violence against a civilian population that has been facing a humanitarian crisis for the last two years? Why do we not value the lives of Palestinian civilians as much as we value the lives of Israeli civilians? My heart is breaking.

    Please read what Gideon Levy had to say in Haaretz yesterday:

    Here lie their bodies, row upon row, some of them tiny. Our hearts have turned hard and our eyes have become dull. All of Israel has worn military fatigues, uniforms that are opaque and stained with blood and which enable us to carry out any crime… Even those whose hearts are hardened by “moral righteousness” will have to momentarily halt the bombing machine and ask: Which Israel do we have before us? What will become of its standing in the world, which is now watching the events in Gaza? What are we inflicting on the moderate Arab regimes? And what of the simmering popular hatred we are sowing throughout the world? What good will emerge from this killing and destruction?

    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1052348.html

  5. Oyster said

    June,

    I put the scary quotes around the word ‘progressive’ because I involuntarily gag whenever a group self-proclaims themselves to be good. I would do similarly if a conservative group called themselves Advanced Republicans, or some other silly self-promoting moniker. Calling oneself ‘progressive’ does not make one so, as if by some magic incantation. If you really believe that, then I’m sure you believe Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” education policy.

    You wrote: The problem is that the IDF is currently engaging in unprecedented war crimes…

    I’ll cut through a lot of your rhetoric to challenge you on the facts. On what grounds do you accuse Israel of war crimes? Please cite specific laws, not your personal values.

    You wrote: Why use extreme violence against a civilian population that has been facing a humanitarian crisis for the last two years?

    You’re going to have to take that up with Hamas, who are the ones that have dragged us into this mess. Israel isn’t attacking the West Bank, because Israel can negotiate with the Palestinian Authority under Mahmoud Abbas. Hamas is only interested in dragging Gaza into war. Hamas is a dictatorial regime, which was achieved not by the will of the Gazan population, but by a military coup. They are not interested in alleviating any suffering of the Palestinians in Gaza but rather in squandering their citizen’s money on Grad rockets and ammunition in lieu of food and medicine.

    I’ll end with a quote from Gideon Levy, from the self-same article:

    Yes, I know, war is war. After all, they brought this on themselves. They are a terrorist organization and we are not. They want to destroy us and we seek peace.

    I realize that this quote is not the main thrust of his article, but he says it all the same. He, like you, fails to offer any solutions. How would you propose that Israel (or any country, for that matter) stop their neighbor from launching thousands of rockets at them?

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  7. Helen Kang said

    The Israel and Palestinian relationship of oppression/resistance reminds me of the Japanese and the Korean when Japan occupied Korea. Only, Palestinians seems to be suffering more and longer than the Koreans.

    Israel should know what it is like to want a state. Palestinians want a state. Stop the killing and solve the problem.

    I don’t get upset when I see people like Oyster. I become sad and then I lose hope for the world. I suspect that as long as people like Oyster exist, we will always have war, oppression, and hatred in this world. I wouldn’t be surprised if Oyster believes that he would want to see all Palestinians gone.. or dead.

  8. L. Rose said

    Helen, June, anyone else?
    Of the alleged 500 dead, maybe 100 are civs. Far more civs have been killed in Israel by Gaza bombs and terrorists for years: who spoke up or cared? You? Forget Gideon Levy. The people provoking war in Gaza do not want a state: they spent their time/money on bombs and tunnels, creating a terror depot in Gaza, not a state. Palestinians did not want two states in the 1930s (look up the Mufti of Jerusalem who met with Hitler and said “We have a common goal”) or in 1940s with British, or with UN in 1948, or any time after. They want to destroy Israel. They will not allow the Jews to live on any land at all. Listen to their rhetoric, look at their actions: their strategy has always been “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” in response to their bombing.

    Extreme response? The terror depot build up in Gaza and supported by Iran and Syria, is extreme and requires a dismantling response. Yet more civs died in Mumbai than have died in this Gaza op! Israel is surgically polite as an army and calls ahead to warn civs: their enemy hides behind babies! Face what these people are doing and saying in reality. You want peace? Too bad you are supporting people who for years have openly stated their goal is not to have peace or a nation, but to destroy Israel. You want to save babies? Protest those who hide behind them in the name of “peace” while they bomb Israel. You don’t care about Israel? Someone does.

  9. Eli Raber said

    In response to recent events in the Bay Area and abroad Birthright Israel NEXT San Francisco, Bay Area Tribe and the Anti-Defamation League will be hosting an “Israel Advocacy 101 and Situation in Gaza workshop” on January 25th.

    We also aim to give the Jewish community a safe place to exchange ideas, their thoughts and feelings about current events.

  10. Oyster said

    Helen, no need to get into a tizzy. Just be a big girl and apologize for mocking my religion, and we’ll all be friends, okay? No need to try to put ugly words in my mouth about me wanting people dead. If you can’t argue the points, why don’t you go vent at a site like Little Green Footballs?

    Israel, since the brave Menakhem Begin and later with Itzhak Rabin, has taken big risks to secure peace. First with Egypt, then with Jordan, then with the Oslo Process with the Palestinians. We gave the Palestinians FULL control over Gaza, and, much to their glee, withdrew all Jewish settlers from Gaza. We did so, even though it nearly ripped Israel in two and might have devolved into a civil war. What painful compromises did the Palestinians make for peace in regards to Gaza?

  11. Oyster said

    L. Rose:

    Good point. I always cringe when reporters near Gaza (or in 2006, in Lebanon) lap up the militant’s propaganda about 100% of the casualties being civilian, and not a single death being counted in the militant column.

    It’s pure agitprop, designed to bolster the number of civilian dead to sway public opinion and to try to create an illusion that there are no fighters. Also, militant casualties would serve to demoralize their forces and bolster the morale of Israel. Either women and children are launching big Grad missiles (unlikely), or the statistics coming out of Gaza are rotten, and are hiding the militant deaths.

  12. Oyster said

    Thanks for the heads-up, Eli! I’ll be sure to throw it on to the calendar.

  13. Helen said

    Four things that come to my mind.

    L.Rose – You really cannot compare the Mumbai attack to this war. First of all, you dug a hole there because you were comparing the Mumbai attackers to the Israeli government. Yes, they both kill civilians. The Mumbai fanatics killed more civillians so far as you said. Although, if this war goes on, the Israeli government might catch up. But more importantly, Mumbai attackers were in their early twenties and they did not belong to any legitimate entity. They were crazy fanatics who were kids who committed the worst crime that we can imagine. People who are carrying on this “op” in Gaza, however, is a government. They are grown ups elected/appointed who decided to bombard your church(mosques), universities, houses… They call this the Hanukkah war, and this is done by a nation. A respected collective entity that we know that has a lot of respectable values in its culture is choosing to kill. And because of this nature, so many people are appalled by the Israeli government and the Israelis who support their government.

    Oppression brings resentment, anger, and resistance. Didn’t the Jews resist in a violent way against the oppressors at all? Look at the history. The oppressed resisted. Right now, the stronger side is the Israeli’s side. Israel has the wealth in contrast to their neighbors. I’m not saying that Israel should just suck up violence from Hammas. I am saying that Israel should try their best to arrest only those that were responsible for the first rocket attacks. Fight like a man. Suppose a murderer killed your family member, do you kill his whole family? You cannot justify killing babies. You cannot just say “Oops!”

    Oyster said Palestine had FULL control over Gaza. Also, a lot of people blame Yasser Arafat for not taking the camp Davis deal. But here’s a news for you. A lot of people were manipulated by the PR well done by the Israeli government. The truth is that there was no freedom for the Palestinians. The Israeli force were/are surrounding the entire area, controlling every single activity going in and out of Gaza.. There was basically no freedom.

    Another point that I want to make is that you cannot feel victimized by some Palestinians agreeing with the Nazi’s 70 years ago. If you cannot get over the past like this, violence will never stop. Your people will keep dying. Mongols killed a lot of people in Eurasia in the past. Should we retaliate Mongolians? Japan was very cruel to the Korean people in the first half of the 20th century. Should Korea hold onto hatred for the Japanese? No. If you want to blame something that happened in the past, why not bomb Germany?

    Blood calls for more blood. And I think you need to understand this. Nationalism is bad and ugly. Having the heritage and keeping the culture is good. But we should certainly shed the ugliness, violence, and the hatred.

    The oppression is real in Gaza. Did you see the Israeli’s bulldozing a house and a wailing woman? If my house was bulldozed, I would certainly resent those who bulldozed. Look at the world and the history. No nation gets along with their neighbors. England & France, France & England, China & Korea, Korea & China, even Canada and US had a war once. Others are finding ways to keep the peace even if they hate each other. Israel and its neighboring countries fight so much so often. Usually, Israel beats the shit out of neighbor’s country. If I’m bullied, I’d definitely want to fight back like Israel. But, as a nation, as a group of people, not feeling shameful about killing babies is absolutely horrible in my eyes.

  14. Helen said

    Four things that come to my mind.

    L.Rose – You really cannot compare the Mumbai attack to this war. First of all, you dug a hole there because you were comparing the Mumbai attackers to the Israeli government. Yes, they both kill civilians. The Mumbai fanatics killed more civillians so far as you said. Although, if this war goes on, the Israeli government might catch up. But more importantly, Mumbai attackers were in their early twenties and they did not belong to any legitimate entity. They were crazy fanatics who were kids who committed the worst crime that we can imagine. People who are carrying on this “op” in Gaza, however, is a government. They are grown ups elected/appointed who decided to bombard your church(mosques), universities, houses… They call this the Hanukkah war, and this is done by a nation. A respected collective entity that we know that has a lot of respectable values in its culture is choosing to kill. And because of this nature, so many people are appalled by the Israeli government and the Israelis who support their government.

    Oppression brings resentment, anger, and resistance. Didn’t the Jews resist in a violent way against the oppressors at all? Look at the history. The oppressed resisted. Right now, the stronger side is the Israeli’s side. Israel has the wealth in contrast to their neighbors. I’m not saying that Israel should just suck up violence from Hammas. I am saying that Israel should try their best to arrest only those that were responsible for the first rocket attacks. Fight like a man. Suppose a murderer killed your family member, do you kill his whole family? You cannot justify killing babies. You cannot just say “Oops!”

    Oyster said Palestine had FULL control over Gaza. Also, a lot of people blame Yasser Arafat for not taking the camp Davis deal. But here’s a news for you. A lot of people were manipulated by the PR well done by the Israeli government. The truth is that there was no freedom for the Palestinians. The Israeli force were/are surrounding the entire area, controlling every single activity going in and out of Gaza.. There was basically no freedom.

    Another point that I want to make is that you cannot feel victimized by some Palestinians agreeing with the Nazi’s 70 years ago. If you cannot get over the past like this, violence will never stop. Your people will keep dying. Mongols killed a lot of people in Eurasia in the past. Should we retaliate Mongolians? Japan was very cruel to the Korean people in the first half of the 20th century. Should Korea hold onto hatred for the Japanese? No. If you want to blame something that happened in the past, why not bomb Germany?

    Blood calls for more blood. And I think you need to understand this. Nationalism is bad and ugly. Having the heritage and keeping the culture is good. But we should certainly shed the ugliness, violence, and the hatred.

    The oppression is real in Gaza. Did you see the Israeli’s bulldozing a house and a wailing woman? If my house was bulldozed, I would certainly resent those who bulldozed. They might as well kill the woman so she wouldn’t retaliate by carrying a bomb with her. Look at the world and the history. No nation gets along with their neighbors. England & France, France & England, China & Korea, Korea & Japan, Japan & China, even Canada and US had a war once. Others are finding ways to keep the peace even if they hate each other. Israel and its neighboring countries fight so much so often. Usually, Israel beats the shit out of neighbors’ countries. If I’m bullied, I’d definitely want to fight back like Israel. But, as a nation, as a group of people, not feeling shameful about killing babies is absolutely horrible in my eyes.

  15. archangelinamerica said

    Listen up all you Jew-hating anti-Semites. Just because you personally don’t want to drown every Jew in the Mediterranean doesn’t mean you aren’t anti-Semitic. When you hold Jews to a different standard than the rest of the world, you are an anti-Semite. And when you believe Jews in Israel should ignore thousands of rockets being rained on them, while giving Hamas gets carte-blanche to fire them, you are an anti-Semite.

    Hamas happens to have terrible aim. But a low kill to fire ratio is not a sign of moral superiority when you make it abundantly clear that your aim is a Juden-Frei Holy Land.

    It is sad that a large number of Palestinians have died in this recent conflict. But the majority of those are in fact combatants. Even worse, those combatants insist upon using human shields so they can have as many corpses as possible to generate sympathy for their real cause: the elimination of all Israel’s Jews. But they won’t achieve that goal because the world knows what they are really about. And deep down, the world knows that Israel attacks specific military targets and takes steps to reduce civilian casualties. While Hamas attacks at random with the hopes of maximizing civilian casualties. And you can cry boo hoo hoo about that all you like but it doesn’t change that Hamas is the cause of its own suffering and everyone knows it. Israel doesn’t thrive upon the suffering of Palestinians. Israel thrives upon the work of its own people.

    And when you refuse to acknowledge the facts about Hamas’ intention while calling for Israel to pretend no threat exists, you throw your lot in with a group that does want to cause mass destruction…probably of you too.

  16. archangelinamerica said

    http://www.road90.com/watch.php?id=vqj3CnvcIg

  17. Helen said

    I won’t bother you guys anymore after this posting, because I don’t think you guys are reasonable here.

    I’m not saying that Hamas is morally superior! Where did you get that idea? You guys are scary and makes me almost believe that you guys should keep fighting because you’re all the same.

    Who would want to use their babies, their wives as their human shield? you two are neighbors and you two are the same human species.

    I believe there are better Jews than you guys.

    Bye bye. Don’t kill too many with your accurate precise powerful weapon.

    Happy War.

  18. Helen said

    Oh. One more thing.

    You think that I would be upset if you call me an anti-semite?

    Just remember, the world does not revolve around you guys.

  19. June said

    In response to Archangelinamerica: criticism of the Israeli Government and IDF does not equal anti-Semitism. Far from it. I am just as critical of Mugabe and the Burmese junta. I am just as critical of Hamas. I am just as critical of the Bush administration’s illegal war in Iraq. We hold Israel to the same standard as our own government. Requiring governments to uphold human rights and exhaust all possible diplomatic measures rather than engage in the improper use of military force is not anti-Semitism. Don’t be ridiculous. There are many Jewish voices calling out for peace and condemning the actions of a state that has better, more honorable tools at its disposal.

    In regards to Oyster’s question on war crimes, I would direct you to the criticisms of Israel’s actions in Gaza in November 2006 (http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=20669&Cr=Palestin&Cr1), in March 2008 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7281711.stm) and the current attacks which have been called “unlawful” by Amnesty International: (http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/news/end-unlawful-attacks-and-meet-gazas-emergency-needs-20081229) The laws of war call for proportionality and discrimination. The attacks in Gaza meet neither of these requirements.

    We all know Hamas is guilty of war crimes. We can also assume that the IDF’s current action is building support for Hamas throughout the Middle-East – this is incredibly dangerous for Israel in the long-term. And yes, I hold the Israeli government to a higher standard than terrorist organizations. Where is the moral leadership? I have said it before: Israel is better than this. Israel should also be smarter than this.

    BOTH the IDF and Hamas are guilty of war crimes. That does NOT justify the current Israeli action. Defending one’s citizens does not require a massive bombing campaign in one of the most densely-populated areas in the world, followed by a ground invasion where more civilians will surely die. The Gazan population cannot leave – there is nowhere to run. They are being held hostage by both Hamas and Israel. This “surgically polite” operation, as L. Rose so humorously put it above, is earning the condemnation of the international community, destroying Israel’s good reputation in the eyes of many of its supporters.

    Do you still advocate collective punishment? Is it ok to starve a population and then bomb them into submission? Are their children not as valuable as yours? The responsibility for the humanitarian crisis does not only belong to Hamas. It also belongs to Israel.

  20. June said

    Given the news in the last few minutes, that Israeli forces have bombed two UN schools in Gaza, I think it is appropriate to post the UN’s reaction, as reported in The Guardian:

    “The UN, which said the school was clearly marked, said it was “strongly protesting these killings to the Israeli authorities and is calling for an immediate and impartial investigation.
    Where it is found that international humanitarian law has been violated, those responsible must be held to account. Under international law, installations such as schools, health centres and UN facilities should be protected from attack. Well before the current fighting, the UN had given to the Israeli authorities the GPS coordinates of all its installations in Gaza, including Asma elementary school.
    The killings take the total toll in Palestinian lives since the Israelis launched their assault on the Gaza strip 11 days ago to more than 600. Doctors at Gaza hospitals say that at least one-fifth of the victims are children and that a large number of women are among the dead.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/06/gaza-israel-palestinians

  21. RBlei said

    Oh yes. We should DEFINITELY trust the UN. Even palestinian observers admitted that miltants were holed up in that school firing first at Israelis.

    The UN is the same body that had “peacekeepers” in Lebanon who stood by and let (1) Israeli soldiers get kidnapped, (2) and let Hezbollah fire tens of thousands of missiles into Israel in 2006 without a single word of complaint. They should probably be labeled “piece-keepers.” This is the same organization that has sponsored over 100 resolutions in Israel (more than Lybia, Syria, and Saudi Arabia combined), while massacres in Lybia, Saudi Arabia, Syria are labeled an “internal affair” and ignored. This is the body that tries to pass resolutions blaming Israel without even a word about their attackers, as if they don’t exist. It’s just like the world court that said that Israel has no right to defend itself as a state against “individual” suicide bombers. Ridiculous.

    How do you define a civilian? Hamas sent text messages to “civilians” to go outside during the bombing and confront the Israelis as martyrs. Is a martyr an “innocent” civilian? The media counts them as such. How do you defend yourself from someone literally firing from behind a civilian? Civilian deaths are the fault of those who use a mosque or a school or a hospital as a shield to launch and store weapons. Hamas BRAGS about such maneuvers to make the outcry against Israel more effective, but so many think that’s just “irrelevant.”

    Why do you think EGYPT just arrested a hamas cell that got out of Gaza (Al-Ahram newspaper, Egypt), and why do you think Egypt has sealed their border with Gaza? Why do you think they took 49 unarmed Palestinians and just shipped them back to Gaza? Why do you think in November Saudi Arabia refused to grant 300 visas to Palestinians applying through Hamas to visit for the Hajj? Because even moderate Arab states know that Hamas is a terrorist organization. It’s amazing that some American’s don’t.

    It’s also amazing that some Americans equate a terrorist organization’s human-shield tactics with collateral damage by a country who does its best to shield civilians in the process of defending itself.

  22. archangelinamerica said

    For those of you who say that you equally condemn Hamas and Israel and every other government in the world, maybe you could direct me to some of your previous quotations on the subject. I would be really interested in reading some of your harsh condemnation of Hamas or any other psychopathic government or organization hellbent on returning to jolly old 12th century. Seriously. Maybe you posted on Al Jazeera telling them about how Hamas should lighten up on their position of driving all Israelis into the ocean. Or just some other local blog. I would really really like to read that. Please.

  23. Helen said

    Archangelinamerica is such an idiot..

  24. archangelinamerica said

    Well Helen. I did have a good cry after reading your thoughtful and incisive insult. It was especially painfull coming from a towering intellect such as yourself. And the way you systematically broke down my arguments has left me feeling weak and humiliated.

    This whole thing has just been too much because I was devastated when you informed us all that you would not be posting here anymore because there are better Jews out there than us. And I was so thrilled to see that you had decided to come back but so hurt by your words.

    But seriously, or rather unsarcastically I guess…the great thing about this site is that we welcome all opinions and viewpoints. So you should argue back if you disagree. It would be nice though if you kept the insults out and stuck to a well worded argument. I know my arguments are strongly worded and I might come accross a little bit nasty or aggressive. But being opinionated doesn’t make me a mean or bad person.

  25. Helen said

    Archangelinamerica, I don’t think you are mean or a bad person. It is just that, in my opinion, you come across as.. a tool. That’s all.

    I should really focus on my work and life and stop caring about this mess on earth.

    Btw, I made some spelling errors earlier. ‘Yasir’ and ‘camp David’ . I also made some grammer errors. I hate it when I do that. But then these are small small mistakes compared to certain governments and people. Speaking of governments, (here i go again) US should stop giving $ to Israel.

    Really bye now.

  26. Michael said

    Well maybe we should just do what Helen suggests. Everyone lay down your weapons… at the same time… take three step back, hug, maybe cry a tear and sing “Oh Holy Night”. That would fix everything now wouldn’t it. I too would never like to hear about another war. I am “Native American”, my people have been oppressed and were sent to Oklahoma to die. However I understand that humans are born into a world full of jealousy, insecurity and anger. Once Helen, June and the “Progressive” left find a magic pill to make everyone happy there will be no more war.

    Oh… by the way anyone ever heard of war were battles were proportionate? Guess we should stop developing technology and return to Bows/Arrows and Slings.

  27. archangelinamerica said

    Helen, I’ll go ahead and take the high road here and not say what it is that you come accross as.

    None the less though you shouldn’t stop caring about something. But you should try and understand the facts of the situation and not just the feelings of it.

    And nobody cares about your spelling errors. This is a Blog. Not a scholarly review.

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